“UbuntuHelp:HowToUseTheTerminal/Talk”的版本间的差异
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I'm not going to threaten anyone with physical violence... but BasicCommands is ''intended'' to be a newbie page. If you think it's failing in that role somehow, please fix it rather than developing duplicate overlapping resources. | I'm not going to threaten anyone with physical violence... but BasicCommands is ''intended'' to be a newbie page. If you think it's failing in that role somehow, please fix it rather than developing duplicate overlapping resources. | ||
<br><br>I do agree that the title of that page isn't optimal, but that's fixable by making this page into a redirect to the existing BasicCommands one. That'll both keep the search engines (and their users) happy and prevent useless duplication. -- Madpilot [[DateTime(2006-09-19T08:23:33Z)]] | <br><br>I do agree that the title of that page isn't optimal, but that's fixable by making this page into a redirect to the existing BasicCommands one. That'll both keep the search engines (and their users) happy and prevent useless duplication. -- Madpilot [[DateTime(2006-09-19T08:23:33Z)]] | ||
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BasicCommands is a great page. But, yes, its failed in it's intention to be a newbie page. It lists far more Linux commands than the newbie uses - or will ever use if they remain everyday desktop users. It doesn't cover the basics of how to paste (I had to ask on a forum!), how to bring back and edit previous commands...etc. It's hard for the experienced Ubuntites to remember just what ordinary humans don't know...and User-Centred Design is about realising the users' perspective. | BasicCommands is a great page. But, yes, its failed in it's intention to be a newbie page. It lists far more Linux commands than the newbie uses - or will ever use if they remain everyday desktop users. It doesn't cover the basics of how to paste (I had to ask on a forum!), how to bring back and edit previous commands...etc. It's hard for the experienced Ubuntites to remember just what ordinary humans don't know...and User-Centred Design is about realising the users' perspective. | ||
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To make BasicCommands into a usable newbie page, I'd have to exclude a lot of useful information. I don't want to do that. Far better that give a quick intro and a linkn to the BasicCommands detail. | To make BasicCommands into a usable newbie page, I'd have to exclude a lot of useful information. I don't want to do that. Far better that give a quick intro and a linkn to the BasicCommands detail. | ||
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I genuinely believe that a genuine newbie-centred summary will 'add value'. | I genuinely believe that a genuine newbie-centred summary will 'add value'. | ||
I'm happy to waste my own time in it. I realise there is a potential danger of going against a 'single point of truth' philosophy - but I think the information is sufficiently stable. | I'm happy to waste my own time in it. I realise there is a potential danger of going against a 'single point of truth' philosophy - but I think the information is sufficiently stable. | ||
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I hope you see what I'm getting at. EtB. | I hope you see what I'm getting at. EtB. | ||
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The main difference between the two pages was the "cutting and pasting" and "how to save typing" sections. Those have been merged into BasicCommands. -- Luigi_de_guzman | The main difference between the two pages was the "cutting and pasting" and "how to save typing" sections. Those have been merged into BasicCommands. -- Luigi_de_guzman | ||
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In terms of information design, I still don't think it does the job. Newbie users - presumably the 'Human Beings' that Ubuntu is for - need access to this information before they even get started. Putting at the end of a scary page on Linux commands simply isn't User Friendly. | In terms of information design, I still don't think it does the job. Newbie users - presumably the 'Human Beings' that Ubuntu is for - need access to this information before they even get started. Putting at the end of a scary page on Linux commands simply isn't User Friendly. | ||
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I want to say 'Trust me, I'm a professional' without coming across too arrogant. As it happens, I'm qualified in Usability/ Human Factors/ Ergonomics and things like designing information around user needs is everyday business for me. Sorry - but so many paper and online guides simply get it wrong. (Case in point: the man command is only useful for developers, not for users: most users won't understand the information that linux developers have included in the man file!) | I want to say 'Trust me, I'm a professional' without coming across too arrogant. As it happens, I'm qualified in Usability/ Human Factors/ Ergonomics and things like designing information around user needs is everyday business for me. Sorry - but so many paper and online guides simply get it wrong. (Case in point: the man command is only useful for developers, not for users: most users won't understand the information that linux developers have included in the man file!) | ||
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I'm going to press on with finishing this page (when I get some free time). It will summarise from BasicCommands...in much the same way that BasicCommands is a summary of a much bigger Linux manual. On the forum I've asked for newbie opinion on whether it's useful. ([http://www.ucc.ie/hfrg/emmus/methods/iso.html ISO 13407], Step 5) | I'm going to press on with finishing this page (when I get some free time). It will summarise from BasicCommands...in much the same way that BasicCommands is a summary of a much bigger Linux manual. On the forum I've asked for newbie opinion on whether it's useful. ([http://www.ucc.ie/hfrg/emmus/methods/iso.html ISO 13407], Step 5) | ||
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I disagree. I am trying to cover some very basic information on how to use Terminal for newbies. Basic information - such as I've included so far - simply doesn't seem to be covered. For example...where does BasicCommands mention tab to autocomplete or ctrl+a for start of line?
The BasicCommands page is emphatically not a newbie page. It is comprehensive - so newbies will have to search for the basics...and it is scary. Also, its title is not user friendly. The newbie's question will be framed in their mind as "How do I use this terminal thing?" I totally agree that we don't want duplication - but I don't think that's what I'm doing. On the other hand...it would be useful to repeat some newbie-level info on basic terminal commands (cp, mkdir...etc) and how to open terminals (but without getting into the details of process control, multiple users, etc). On these topics I intend cross-referencing to the more detailed information. Trust me - we newbies need a lifeline here!
Does this make sense now? I shall proceed until threatened with physical violence. - EdwardTheBonobo
I'm not going to threaten anyone with physical violence... but BasicCommands is intended to be a newbie page. If you think it's failing in that role somehow, please fix it rather than developing duplicate overlapping resources.
I do agree that the title of that page isn't optimal, but that's fixable by making this page into a redirect to the existing BasicCommands one. That'll both keep the search engines (and their users) happy and prevent useless duplication. -- Madpilot DateTime(2006-09-19T08:23:33Z)
BasicCommands is a great page. But, yes, its failed in it's intention to be a newbie page. It lists far more Linux commands than the newbie uses - or will ever use if they remain everyday desktop users. It doesn't cover the basics of how to paste (I had to ask on a forum!), how to bring back and edit previous commands...etc. It's hard for the experienced Ubuntites to remember just what ordinary humans don't know...and User-Centred Design is about realising the users' perspective. To make BasicCommands into a usable newbie page, I'd have to exclude a lot of useful information. I don't want to do that. Far better that give a quick intro and a linkn to the BasicCommands detail. I genuinely believe that a genuine newbie-centred summary will 'add value'. I'm happy to waste my own time in it. I realise there is a potential danger of going against a 'single point of truth' philosophy - but I think the information is sufficiently stable. I hope you see what I'm getting at. EtB. --- The main difference between the two pages was the "cutting and pasting" and "how to save typing" sections. Those have been merged into BasicCommands. -- Luigi_de_guzman
In terms of information design, I still don't think it does the job. Newbie users - presumably the 'Human Beings' that Ubuntu is for - need access to this information before they even get started. Putting at the end of a scary page on Linux commands simply isn't User Friendly. I want to say 'Trust me, I'm a professional' without coming across too arrogant. As it happens, I'm qualified in Usability/ Human Factors/ Ergonomics and things like designing information around user needs is everyday business for me. Sorry - but so many paper and online guides simply get it wrong. (Case in point: the man command is only useful for developers, not for users: most users won't understand the information that linux developers have included in the man file!) I'm going to press on with finishing this page (when I get some free time). It will summarise from BasicCommands...in much the same way that BasicCommands is a summary of a much bigger Linux manual. On the forum I've asked for newbie opinion on whether it's useful. (ISO 13407, Step 5) EtB
